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Public Zone 公開區 => Bookwyrm 書蟲天地 => Topic started by: wongyan on 25 November 2009, 09:42:24
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Hi there,
just curious if anyone like this? see attached picture pls.
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Interesting.....but how much is it??
Just wonder if I would feel dizzy by reading the monitor long..
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I can see the benefit of the e-book - like easy book marking interesting paragraphies and ideas. And you can bring a few more "books" when travelling without the space of the few books.
But the major questions remains are how heavy is it? how long the battery last? Another unknown is how much my mind attached to the fuzzy feel of handling a paper book?
Also I would think that as ebook device getting competitive, the manufacturer would start cramming features into the little pad, making the software too complicated and too easy to crash. Just look at our cell phones. In the early days, it's impossible to conceptualize that a phone can crash or freeze. Now my phone freezes every few days, with a complete crash every other month or so.
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Hi there,
just curious if anyone like this? see attached picture pls.
(http://chinman.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=261.0;attach=4928;image)
This is the Kindle from amazon. and users can get lifetime 3g coverage in HK.
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B0015T963C/ref=amb_link_86172951_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0QQK33QDESD5EGTJMHRH&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=501372471&pf_rd_i=507846
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/turing/photos/hello-05._V230190821_.jpg)
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Yan,
they are cool 8) 8) 8)
I like the amazon one....it's look classy & professional, particularly slimmy...
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The market is heating up, even my kid wants one.
With Apple iPad, Google Edition, etc... coming to the market, more publishers are negotiation deals, more promotions, and more people going to buy one.
Anyone had tried?
(BTW a few messages above I said my phone crashed every few days. The crashes has stopped ever since I updated the OS of the phone. Strange.)
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I am still in the old days, still prefer a 'real paper book', especially some magazine with good printing. :-\
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I am still in the old days, still prefer a 'real paper book', especially some magazine with good printing. :-\
I have the same thinking as Kai, not only for the feeling of holding a book, but on the more important thing that a book should have and the designers usually overlooked: the ability to write something on the e-book.
When I read a book, I used to write something on the shoulders of the paragraphs, not usually key words but sometimes irrelevant drawings, just to signify "I've-been-there". Or sometimes I just underlined some words on the book. I don't know whether this is a implied feature of e-book, but if not, then it should be a big NO factor for me.
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I have the same thinking as Kai, not only for the feeling of holding a book, but on the more important thing that a book should have and the designers usually overlooked: the ability to write something on the e-book.
When I read a book, I used to write something on the shoulders of the paragraphs, not usually key words but sometimes irrelevant drawings, just to signify "I've-been-there". Or sometimes I just underlined some words on the book. I don't know whether this is a implied feature of e-book, but if not, then it should be a big NO factor for me.
Shouldn't be difficult for a software system. But the problem is when more and more features are added, the whole device may hang more often.
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I am moving this topic to the Bookwyrm section, since it's about books and reading...
Anyway, I ordered the Amazon Kindle 3G about 10 days ago. It's out of stock and it will take anothe month before they can ship.
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B003FSUDM4/ref=sa_menu_kdp33
And a few days after the order, I happened to have someone from the US visiting me. He has an old Kindle. I tried reading books on it. My quick comments:
1. The screen really looks good. Not "Wow" good when you first see a bright color monitor, but it really look like ink on paper.
2. The older one is too heavy to handle for long term reading. The one I tried has the leather cover. The new version I ordered is a bit lighter, and I think I should not put on the leather cover.
3. The big unknown for me is how easy can I flip back and forth. Like the book I am reading now has maps, and many times I need to flip back to visualize the events by reading the map.
I struggled a bit before ordering the Kindle. The main reason is that Amazon can recall any book at their will and I am philosophically against that. But then again, Apple/Microsoft can also remotely disable your iphone/windows, or google may already knows me better than I know myself, or Octopus can track someone's movement already real time...
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I preper paper too, tho it is not quite environmental.
For a set of paper of document, I would not mind to read it on a device. But for book..no.....Somehow it is just a personal preference, I think.
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I am moving this topic to the Bookwyrm section, since it's about books and reading...
Anyway, I ordered the Amazon Kindle 3G about 10 days ago. It's out of stock and it will take anothe month before they can ship.
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B003FSUDM4/ref=sa_menu_kdp33
Is that true that you can only buy books from Amazon when using Kindle? I see there is no Chinese book in Amazon.... :(
Anyone voted for iPad by purchasing? Any Chinese book?
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king already bought i-pad and I also ordered.
(though I am the key supplier to E-ink)
Hang, you lost something here.
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Aiya........nice one.....
What is it??? Who are you??? Are you coming to have gathering with us tomorrow??? You owe me HK$1000000000.......
How come you have this thing?? Why the picture is so small?? :D
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Is that true that you can only buy books from Amazon when using Kindle? I see there is no Chinese book in Amazon.... :(
Anyone voted for iPad by purchasing? Any Chinese book?
I also thought about iPad but everyone I know that has iPad just using it as a large iPhone - showing pictures or playing games. I have not seen any book.
Kindle version is from Amazon only. The gadget can display pdf, so maybe you can transfer pdf Chinese books to it?
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I arrived at the office and my Kindle also arrived today. More interesting is that Wing also got his iPad. So I am playing with both now.
In the few min that I played with the iPad, I see there are lots of classic books, including Chinese ones, available for free. So far all the ones I see are from the Gutenbery Project.
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My Kindle.
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
What is it? Not even iOS4?
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
Same question, what are you talking about?!?!
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
Mine is also 3.2.2 . . . . . >:(
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
Mine is also 3.2.2 . . . . . >:(
3.2.2 is bad? Why? Anyhow you can upgrade it yourself. :)
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too bad 3.2.2 on i-pad. put myself in JAIL!!!!
Mine is also 3.2.2 . . . . . >:(
3.2.2 is bad? Why? Anyhow you can upgrade it yourself. :)
ipad used to come with 3.2.1 which allows jailbreak. 3.2.2 is the lastest version of OS on ipad that we couldn't do anything about it.
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ipad used to come with 3.2.1 which allows jailbreak. 3.2.2 is the lastest version of OS on ipad that we couldn't do anything about it.
Just would like to tell you this (http://www.iphone4hk.com/) site contains all information that you needed. My old iPhone is JB'ed by reading instruction here and dl a lot of software.
In the mean time, you got to wait till JB is available then. ;D ;D ;D
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What's the purpose of jailbreak?
Get apps free?
Not to provide real personal info to Apple?
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What's the purpose of jailbreak?
Get apps free?
Not to provide real personal info to Apple?
When iPhone was released few year ago, it was tied up with AT&T, people want to use iPhone with their own carrier. This was first I heard people are trying to break this 'imprisonment' by JB'ing it.
I think the reason why the mainstream people JB their own iPhones are because they can enjoy free(cracked) software, and download software that are NOT permitted by Apple. (Well, Apple's AppStore has absolute power to permit whether your software is 'authorized' to be placed in AppStore and AppStore is the only source of software that a non-JB device could go :( )
For the personal information, I think it's not a major concern as when I bought it, non-JB'ed, I first needed to register in AppStore with my personals, including my credit card number, so that sub-sequential purchase with my iPhone will directly debit to my credit card.
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Thanks for the explanation. Grace just got her 愛瘋4, and found that the email program is in sync with the mail program in the big Mac. So Apple somehow already have record of how she setup the mail program in the local computer, and reflect that on the phone.
It's look convenient, but it's also means someone is having copies of your record, most likely without you knowing or explicit authorization.
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Back to the Kindle. I have been using it for almost two weeks. It's really good for reading.
I also just found out that there is an experimental web browser built in, but not too useful. It's good enough just to read books.
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Thanks for the explanation. Grace just got her 愛瘋4, and found that the email program is in sync with the mail program in the big Mac. So Apple somehow already have record of how she setup the mail program in the local computer, and reflect that on the phone.
It's look convenient, but it's also means someone is having copies of your record, most likely without you knowing or explicit authorization.
That maybe, or may not be true. The iTune (on Mac) may just copy the setup information on your Mail (on Mac) and then copy it to the Mail (iPhone) without asking your authorization.... They may not read your mail.
What I found recently is that Google is trying to read your email, by introducing something called
"Priority Inbox", see the movie here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nt3gE9dGHQ), if they are able to prioritize your mail, then they have to read/scan it.
No matter whichever terms you like, either read or scan, they're going to judge the mails' importance by looking thro' it. The age of Big Brother is coming.!
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Chin, if you sync an i-phone or i-pod with a Mac then everything will be matching. So, all data transfer storage should be local, unless you have a Mobile Me account.
google has introduced Priority Inbox for Gmail, but I don't think it means they are scanning my mail anymore than they already do to give me targeted advertising. Personally, I think Gmail is a great product, but I'm mindful that there is always a risk with using the service. But, I also wonder how secure the data I keep exclusively to my home machines is, given all the holes in OS security.
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The iPhone mail had the same structure/folders BEFORE the first time sync. So Apple has a copy of the structure on their side.
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I have my Kindle for about 1 month now, and finished 2.5 books on it.
If you read English books, go get this. Enough say.
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And BTW I just received my 3rd Kindle. The 2nd one was returned because it did not work with our wi fi.
It's safer to get only the 3G model.
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And BTW I just received my 3rd Kindle. The 2nd one was returned because it did not work with our wi fi.
It's safer to get only the 3G model.
And the first Kindle just stopped dead in our travel this summer. So far my lucky with the Kindle is not so good - only 1 lasted more than 1 year.
Still a good reading device though. I will give the new Kindle a try when it's out.
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Your bad luck with the Kindle is less expensive than my bad luck with Mac :)
And the first Kindle just stopped dead in our travel this summer. So far my lucky with the Kindle is not so good - only 1 lasted more than 1 year.
Still a good reading device though. I will give the new Kindle a try when it's out.
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上海札記﹕被電子化驅逐的閱讀
【明報專訊】8月11日，上海市新聞出版局發布了《新媒體環境下上海市民閱讀現狀調查報告（2010-2011）》。報告顯示，儘管絕大多數人依然認為閱讀可增加知識、開闊視野，但事實上，快速的生活節奏和工作壓力，令人更喜歡上網「放鬆」，而用於傳統深度閱讀的時間愈來愈少。
閱讀領域娛樂化氾濫
61.3%受訪者認為，他們花在傳統閱讀的時間愈來愈少。他們一邊抱怨「沒時間看書」，一邊卻花大量時間上網。而且有28.7%的受訪者更喜歡「在線免費閱讀」。在獲取信息的幾大主要途徑中，依賴網絡、手機的比例，分別達到33%和19.3%。
傳統閱讀時間的減少已不算新鮮事，搭地鐵時總會發現，身邊有許多端覑手機、電子閱讀器或者平板電腦的人，看短片或閱讀，但捧覑紙質書籍的人少之又少。即使是在圖書館，也有不少人是在上網，而非閱讀書籍。
不可否認，這種變化與新媒體的發展有密切關係——當移動終端實現了各種功能集合並用海量存儲包容大量資訊後，又有多少人願意揹覑書到處走動？
如果問題僅是這樣，我們還可以驕傲地視其為進步。但實際上並非如此，同一調查還告訴我們，有40.8%的受訪者認為，閱讀的主要目的是「休閒娛樂」。可見娛樂化浪潮不僅佔領電視、廣播等媒體，同時也在閱讀領域氾濫。
雖然很難說在閱讀中尋求輕鬆快樂是錯誤，但這種現象中卻令人有一絲隱憂。古語云「生於憂患，死於安樂」，人類的娛樂需求膨脹，會否導致思考能力和憂患意識下降呢？
劣書驅逐良書才是問題
這樣的結果不應怪罪於新媒體，更應從自身尋找原因。例如，筆者在上海地鐵上遇到為數不多的讀書者中，多數是外籍人士。難道說中國的電子產品發達程度已經超越歐美日了嗎？再比如，如今手機書城提供的書籍數量的確不少，但充斥覑「穿越」、「靈異」、「盜墓」類小說，要找一本嚴肅讀物卻很費勁，看來閱讀器演變不是問題，「劣書驅逐良書」才是問題
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上海札記﹕被電子化驅逐的閱讀
【明報專訊】8月11日，上海市新聞出版局發布了《新媒體環境下上海市民閱讀現狀調查報告（2010-2011）》。報告顯示，儘管絕大多數人依然認為閱讀可增加知識、開闊視野，但事實上，快速的生活節奏和工作壓力，令人更喜歡上網「放鬆」，而用於傳統深度閱讀的時間愈來愈少。
閱讀領域娛樂化氾濫
61.3%受訪者認為，他們花在傳統閱讀的時間愈來愈少。他們一邊抱怨「沒時間看書」，一邊卻花大量時間上網。而且有28.7%的受訪者更喜歡「在線免費閱讀」。在獲取信息的幾大主要途徑中，依賴網絡、手機的比例，分別達到33%和19.3%。
傳統閱讀時間的減少已不算新鮮事，搭地鐵時總會發現，身邊有許多端覑手機、電子閱讀器或者平板電腦的人，看短片或閱讀，但捧覑紙質書籍的人少之又少。即使是在圖書館，也有不少人是在上網，而非閱讀書籍。
不可否認，這種變化與新媒體的發展有密切關係——當移動終端實現了各種功能集合並用海量存儲包容大量資訊後，又有多少人願意揹覑書到處走動？
如果問題僅是這樣，我們還可以驕傲地視其為進步。但實際上並非如此，同一調查還告訴我們，有40.8%的受訪者認為，閱讀的主要目的是「休閒娛樂」。可見娛樂化浪潮不僅佔領電視、廣播等媒體，同時也在閱讀領域氾濫。
雖然很難說在閱讀中尋求輕鬆快樂是錯誤，但這種現象中卻令人有一絲隱憂。古語云「生於憂患，死於安樂」，人類的娛樂需求膨脹，會否導致思考能力和憂患意識下降呢？
劣書驅逐良書才是問題
這樣的結果不應怪罪於新媒體，更應從自身尋找原因。例如，筆者在上海地鐵上遇到為數不多的讀書者中，多數是外籍人士。難道說中國的電子產品發達程度已經超越歐美日了嗎？再比如，如今手機書城提供的書籍數量的確不少，但充斥覑「穿越」、「靈異」、「盜墓」類小說，要找一本嚴肅讀物卻很費勁，看來閱讀器演變不是問題，「劣書驅逐良書」才是問題
What he mentioned is really true. However, there are always media (like Next Media) emphasize that they are market-oriented. So sex, violence and privacy is always the headline news. What a shame!
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Good site to down Chinese books
http://www.haodoo.net/
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Good site to down Chinese books
http://www.haodoo.net/
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I have downloaded many to my new Kindle Touch.
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I have downloaded many to my new Kindle Touch.
any photos showing the Kindle Touch?
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any photos showing the Kindle Touch?
Recently I found myself in need of a book reader, (maybe a cell phone is just too small for my age to read )
I dont want a tablet because Im sure it pretty sure will become an additional arcade machine in my hoe..
Now I am thinking of Kindle touch or fire.
sorry for my typing as its from my phone
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Recently I found myself in need of a book reader, (maybe a cell phone is just too small for my age to read )
I dont want a tablet because Im sure it pretty sure will become an additional arcade machine in my hoe..
Now I am thinking of Kindle touch or fire.
sorry for my typing as its from my phone
For reading books, Kindle Touch or similar ink print like reader is really the best. Kindle Fire is just like iPad.
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For reading books, Kindle Touch or similar ink print like reader is really the best. Kindle Fire is just like iPad.
Is it a 6" screened? Would that be small for reading? After some reading using ipad on Haodoo, I found Kindle may be a better choice in terms of its weight, eye-saving and of course battery problem.
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Is it a 6" screened? Would that be small for reading? After some reading using ipad on Haodoo, I found Kindle may be a better choice in terms of its weight, eye-saving and of course battery problem.
Remind me to bring the kindle next tue to ksc.
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Remind me to bring the kindle next tue to ksc.
Chin, Please be reminded to bring your Kindle Touch next Tue to KSC. ;)
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Recently I found myself in need of a book reader, (maybe a cell phone is just too small for my age to read )
I dont want a tablet because Im sure it pretty sure will become an additional arcade machine in my hoe..
Now I am thinking of Kindle touch or fire.
sorry for my typing as its from my phone
After this long search, I voted for Kindle.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/dp/2012/famStripe/FS-KCW-ROW._V384802624_.gif) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OZO03M/ref=famstripe_kp3) for putting my huge number of pdf of various kind.....
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After this long search, I voted for Kindle.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/dp/2012/famStripe/FS-KCW-ROW._V384802624_.gif) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OZO03M/ref=famstripe_kp3) for putting my huge number of pdf of various kind.....
I saw Chin's Kindle and I think the screen is a little small. I love the paper-white appearance though.
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We have and had together 5 or 6 Kindles of different kind. :)
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We have and had together 5 or 6 Kindles of different kind. :)
I just received the new toy yesterday and was messing around with it....
It was easy to use and within 5 min I started reading some of my books. Just one problem: I viewed my pdf inside the Kindle and the font were not look as solid as it compared to other real E-book's font, e.g user guide from Amazon, I guess this is a problem of pdf format itself as it needed to scale to fit the screen.
Anyone has this experience? How to improve this? ??? Or any conversion tools you guys are using?
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Any more good site for downloading ebook? ???
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I am still using haodoo.net. They got quite reasonable updates.
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I am still using haodoo.net. They got quite reasonable updates.
Same same.
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haodoo is good but not too many book I am interested in. I finished the 日本史話 and am now reading 品三國. After that, I do not find any that interested me...... :-\
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haodoo is good but not too many book I am interested in. I finished the 日本史話 and am now reading 品三國. After that, I do not find any that interested me...... :-\
I am reading 品三國 now...
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Finished 品三國. I am pleased to have read this, as this correct me some impressions on those people in that era......
David and Goliath now...... ;D